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Christian preachers say that there are no reincarnation, that is spirit of one man can't come to an other man. How then about the words of God (Num. 11:24-29)
24 Moses went out, and told the people the words of Yahweh: and he gathered seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the Tent. 25 Yahweh came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was on him, and put it on the seventy elders: and it happened that when the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but they did so no more. 26 But there remained two men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the Spirit rested on them; and they were of those who were written, but had not gone out to the Tent; and they prophesied in the camp. 27 There ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp. 28 Joshua the son of Nun, the minister of Moses, one of his chosen men, answered, My lord Moses, forbid them. 29 Moses said to him, Are you jealous for my sake? would that all Yahweh's people were prophets, that Yahweh would put his Spirit on them!

Here we see 71 Moses at once! However only one or three (Moses himself, Eldad, and Medad) of them remained Moses long time.

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And how about words of Jesus (Mt. 11:13-15) 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 If you are willing to receive it, this is Elijah, who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear. So was John the Baptist Elijah or not? It depends on whether we are willing to receive it! For these who are willing to receive that John was Elijah, John was Elijah; for not willing to receive, John was not Elijah.

What means that John was Elijah? It is answered by (Luk. 1:17) He will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah... John Baptist had two thing common with ancient prophet Elijah, his spirit (highest mind) and power (to make wonders) were the same as of Elijah. However, soul, genetics, appearance, etc. of John were different than of Elijah. John so had similar however different character compared to Elijah.

The answer on the question who is whose reincarnation depends on who asks. In fact any spiritual man can remember past life of any other man, because we all are in common spirit. When a man asks an other man to remember his past life, he may remember somebody's past life; when an other man asks the same, he may remember somebody's other past life. So it is a meaningless question to ask who is whose reincarnation without mentioning of who asks and which situation is considered. John was Elijah for some people and not Elijah for other people.

But how about words of Gospel that a man dies once, don't these contradict to reincarnation, a reader may ask. Read on, I will show that these words amazingly even confirm reincarnation.

Apostle Paul

Apostle Paul says that he will return in the Word of God which is Gospel:
(1Thes. 2:18) because we wanted to come to you - indeed, I, Paul, once and again - but Satan hindered us. Paul makes attempts to return to the Earth, but this is a hard deal. (2Cor. 2:1) But I determined this for myself, that I would not come to you again in sorrow., Paul waits for a good time (not sorrow) to come; (2Cor. 12:20-21) 20 For I am afraid that by any means, when I come, I might find you not the way I want to, and that I might be found by you as you don't desire; that by any means there would be strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, whisperings, proud thoughts, riots; 21 that again when I come my God would humble me before you, and I would mourn for many of those who have sinned before now, and not repented of the uncleanness and sexual immorality and lustfulness which they committed. (You may wonder, aren't I Paul? No, I'm nobody compared with him.)

How about future humorous meeting of Paul with present church structures? When Paul will come again, he will come with power and seize the authority with force, (2Cor. 13:1-4) 1 This is the third time I am coming to you. At the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word established. 2 I have said beforehand, and I do say beforehand, as when I was present the second time, so now, being absent, I write to those who have sinned before now, and to all the rest, that, if I come again, I will not spare; 3 seeing that you seek a proof of Christ who speaks in me; who toward you is not weak, but is powerful in you. 4 For he was crucified through weakness, yet he lives through the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we will live with him through the power of God toward you. Allow him to enter the church, lest you will have a ninja attacking your church with strength to enter and preach if you will not allow him enter. He will enter and preach anyway. if I come again, I will not spare... toward you is not weak, but is powerful in you... crucified through weakness, yet he lives through the power of God... we will live... through the power; this means that Paul will be enough strong and powerful to overcome nations when he will come second time, he will not spare.

Biblical teaching on reincarnation

But how about words of Gospel that a man dies once?
(Heb. 9:27-28) 27 Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, without sin, to those who are eagerly waiting for him for salvation.
Doesn't it contradict to reincarnation? It was laid as the Christian argument against reincarnation before church realized that there will be Rapture so that not all people will die at the end, some will be raptured. Now when we understand that there will be Rapture of Church this verse of Bible reversely confirms reincarnation. If no reincarnation then some saint people (raptured) would die zero times instead of one time as Bible tells.

So what will be at the end? Present (or near future) time (civilized) people will go so bad that no one of them will be saved and they will be not raptured. The raptured will be these Christians who will return to the Earth from the past ages. There were no reincarnation in the past but it comes a little time before the second come of Christ. The Christians who were dead before will return again and will never die again but they will raptured. (So no man will die second time and no man will die zero times.) In Heb. 9:28 is written that Christ comes also second time; the word also means that He comes second time as well as every believer comes second time before come of Christ.

St. Paul confirms that he will be here second time and will not die again: (1 Cor. 15:52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. Paul says not they will be changed but we will be changed and does not say we, dead; we here means alive and includes Paul himself, that is he will be here at the moment of Rapture.

This is also confirmed by (Rev. 6:13) The stars of the sky fell to the earth, like a fig tree dropping its unripe figs when it is shaken by a great wind. This means that these spirits of saved believers who has become spirits of stars are indeed yet unripe (not ready to be spirits of stars) and will be returned to the Earth again to continue reaping (training) in hardships of earthy life.

And that good Christians become spirits of stars is confirmed by (Dan. 12:3) Those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the expanse; and those who turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever. and by (Mat. 13:43) Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Some more particular saints

About apostle John (Don't mess him with John Baptist): (John 21:22-24) 22 Jesus said to him, If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you? You follow me. 23 This saying therefore went out among the brothers, that this disciple wouldn't die. Yet Jesus didn't say to him that he wouldn't die, but, If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you? 24 This is the disciple who testifies about these things, and wrote these things. We know that his witness is true. This is true that he will stay until Jesus will come again: We know that his witness is true. How even about Ivan from Russian legends? Isn't he apostle John? Even looking through much distorted stories about Ivan, I clearly see that Ivan was a superman and a computer (compare this story), so I think he probably was apostle John. I suppose that John already returned to the Earth (maybe hundreds years ago) and is alive now. But it seems that nobody known where he is now.

Saint Mary (mother of Jesus) also returns (and I know she is already on the Earth!):
(Rev. 12) 1 A great sign was seen in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was with child. She cried out in pain, laboring to give birth. ... 4 His tail drew one third of the stars of the sky, and threw them to the earth. The dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron. Her child was caught up to God, and to his throne. ... 13 When the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. ... 17 The dragon grew angry with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep God's commandments and hold Jesus' testimony.
About Mary I want to tell some more in following weblog messages. (See trackback of this message.)

[Used World English Bible.]